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Yeah, just Gendry makes more sense to me. So I moved it. A redirect will still be located at the Gendry Waters page.  Thanks! [[User:Jediphilb|Jediphilb]]
 
Yeah, just Gendry makes more sense to me. So I moved it. A redirect will still be located at the Gendry Waters page.  Thanks! [[User:Jediphilb|Jediphilb]]
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:Just as a clarification for casual readers, let me say that there is a reason for that.  Most people agree that in Westeros [[Bastardy#Surnames bastards do not usually have surnames unless they are believed to have a highborn parent]].  [[Smallfolk]], including bastards of smallfolk by both sides, simply don't usually have surnames at all.  Both of [[Edric Storm]]'s parents are acknowledged as members of noble houses, so he gets a bastard surname despite being denied membership to either house.  Apparently [[[Mya Stone]]'s mother (so far unrevealed) is part of the Vale's nobility as well, or perhaps she was given a surname because her filiation is well-known even if not officially acknowledged.  All of the other known or suspected bastards of Robert Baratheon are clandestine to some extent, including Gendry. Robert himself makes little secret of his having bastards (in the TV series he mentions it rather casually to Ser Barristan during the boar hunt, actually bragging of having at least one offspring in each of the Seven Kingdoms and advising doing the same for others), yet it is clear that Edric is very much the exception in being fully acknowledged.  There is considerable evidence in the book series that bastards are generally perceived as somewhat inconvenient and generally expected to know their place and not be too apparent.  They may be legitimized when politically convenient (as discussed a couple of times, as first evident by the discussion of [[Larence Snow]] in ACOK), but for the most part they should know their place and let legitimate firstborns run the show.  Succession and proper inheritance are big deals in Westeros and bastards are expected to stay out of them. While a very few people know that Gendry has a highborn father, that is by no means public knowledge, so he does not get to be known as a Waters. [[User:LuisDantas|LuisDantas]] ([[User talk:LuisDantas|talk]]) 04:56, 23 April 2015 (CDT)
  
 
== Place of Death? ==
 
== Place of Death? ==

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Gendry "Waters"?

C'mon, Gendry never really referred in the books as "Gendry Waters" and he is not even aware of his bastardy nor anyone around him. Mugag

It does not matter if he is aware of his bastardy. His appearence in the books is as son of Robert Baratheon. That means he is more then just Gendry. So the article should reflect that. Compare this with wikipedia; there are articles about people who are referenced with a title that nobody knew where they were living.
As the formal name for a bastard in the King's Landing area is Water my preference is Gendry Waters. Scafloc 12:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Moved Page

Yeah, just Gendry makes more sense to me. So I moved it. A redirect will still be located at the Gendry Waters page. Thanks! Jediphilb

Just as a clarification for casual readers, let me say that there is a reason for that. Most people agree that in Westeros Bastardy#Surnames bastards do not usually have surnames unless they are believed to have a highborn parent. Smallfolk, including bastards of smallfolk by both sides, simply don't usually have surnames at all. Both of Edric Storm's parents are acknowledged as members of noble houses, so he gets a bastard surname despite being denied membership to either house. Apparently [[[Mya Stone]]'s mother (so far unrevealed) is part of the Vale's nobility as well, or perhaps she was given a surname because her filiation is well-known even if not officially acknowledged. All of the other known or suspected bastards of Robert Baratheon are clandestine to some extent, including Gendry. Robert himself makes little secret of his having bastards (in the TV series he mentions it rather casually to Ser Barristan during the boar hunt, actually bragging of having at least one offspring in each of the Seven Kingdoms and advising doing the same for others), yet it is clear that Edric is very much the exception in being fully acknowledged. There is considerable evidence in the book series that bastards are generally perceived as somewhat inconvenient and generally expected to know their place and not be too apparent. They may be legitimized when politically convenient (as discussed a couple of times, as first evident by the discussion of Larence Snow in ACOK), but for the most part they should know their place and let legitimate firstborns run the show. Succession and proper inheritance are big deals in Westeros and bastards are expected to stay out of them. While a very few people know that Gendry has a highborn father, that is by no means public knowledge, so he does not get to be known as a Waters. LuisDantas (talk) 04:56, 23 April 2015 (CDT)

Place of Death?

On the top right hand side where it should be "Date of birth" is says "Date of Death"

Place of Death-Around 285 AL

Just noticed that, and figured it should be brought up.

Gendry's age/birth?

Why has Gendry's age been entered as "around 285 AL"? The only indication I found of his age is Ned's observation in A Game of Thrones that Gendry appeared to be about the same age as Robb (AGOT, Chapter 27, EDDARD VI). Robb's year of birth is well established as 283 AL, since there is a limited window before Robert's Rebellion for Robb's conception. Gendry's age is significant to the narrative because it establishes him as the oldest male among Robert Baratheon's bastards (older than Edric Storm). Shouldn't Gendry date of birth be "around 283 AL"?