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Previous text in the article mentioned that Melisandre had traveled to Dragonstone a few years before the start of ASoIaF. The reference was [[A Clash of Kings-Chapter 15]], in which it's said that ''"Varys told us some years past that Lady Selyse had taken up with a red priest"''. It's not possible, however, to know or say if this person was Melisandre, given that a "priest" is mentioned and not a "priestess". Also, in [[A Game of Thrones-Chapter 69]], Tywin tells us that ''"Varys hears his whispers. Stannis is building ships, Stannis is hiring sellswords, Stannis is bringing a shadowbinder from Asshai. What does it mean? Is any of it true?"'' All of these things seem recent rumours, including the bringing of a shadowbinder from Asshai. Given the impossibility to ascertain when exactly Melisandre arrived, I think it's best not to mention a date categorically in the article.
 
Previous text in the article mentioned that Melisandre had traveled to Dragonstone a few years before the start of ASoIaF. The reference was [[A Clash of Kings-Chapter 15]], in which it's said that ''"Varys told us some years past that Lady Selyse had taken up with a red priest"''. It's not possible, however, to know or say if this person was Melisandre, given that a "priest" is mentioned and not a "priestess". Also, in [[A Game of Thrones-Chapter 69]], Tywin tells us that ''"Varys hears his whispers. Stannis is building ships, Stannis is hiring sellswords, Stannis is bringing a shadowbinder from Asshai. What does it mean? Is any of it true?"'' All of these things seem recent rumours, including the bringing of a shadowbinder from Asshai. Given the impossibility to ascertain when exactly Melisandre arrived, I think it's best not to mention a date categorically in the article.
 
[[User:Felipe Bini|Felipe Bini]] ([[User talk:Felipe Bini|talk]]) 20:34, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 
[[User:Felipe Bini|Felipe Bini]] ([[User talk:Felipe Bini|talk]]) 20:34, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
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:Considering that Melisandre is the only priest(ess) of R'hllor who has been on Dragonstone, or so it seems, and Varys's report from a few years before the start of the series is a fact, and not a rumor that his birds have picked up, would suggest that Melisandre indeed had arrived on Dragonstone a few years before ACOK. (Keep in mind that technically, that could mean that she arrived on Dragonstone in late 297 AC, as Viserys is considered to have been "dead for years" in the early months of 300 AC, even though he died in the second half of 298 AC, roughly some 1,5 years before). That Tywin reports on a rumor Varys heard about a "shadowbinder" should not be any reason to doubt that. Melisandre came to Dragonstone as a red priestess, and I would assume that she would have emphasized that during the first months or so that she was there. But she also is a shadowbinder, and that becomes more and more important when Stannis begins to prepare for battle. Perhaps changing it to "Several years before the start of ''[[A Clash of Kings]]'' would be more accurate? --[[User:Rhaenys Targaryen|Rhaenys Targaryen]] ([[User talk:Rhaenys Targaryen|talk]]) 21:24, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

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Melisandre's arrival on Dragonstone

Previous text in the article mentioned that Melisandre had traveled to Dragonstone a few years before the start of ASoIaF. The reference was A Clash of Kings-Chapter 15, in which it's said that "Varys told us some years past that Lady Selyse had taken up with a red priest". It's not possible, however, to know or say if this person was Melisandre, given that a "priest" is mentioned and not a "priestess". Also, in A Game of Thrones-Chapter 69, Tywin tells us that "Varys hears his whispers. Stannis is building ships, Stannis is hiring sellswords, Stannis is bringing a shadowbinder from Asshai. What does it mean? Is any of it true?" All of these things seem recent rumours, including the bringing of a shadowbinder from Asshai. Given the impossibility to ascertain when exactly Melisandre arrived, I think it's best not to mention a date categorically in the article. Felipe Bini (talk) 20:34, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Considering that Melisandre is the only priest(ess) of R'hllor who has been on Dragonstone, or so it seems, and Varys's report from a few years before the start of the series is a fact, and not a rumor that his birds have picked up, would suggest that Melisandre indeed had arrived on Dragonstone a few years before ACOK. (Keep in mind that technically, that could mean that she arrived on Dragonstone in late 297 AC, as Viserys is considered to have been "dead for years" in the early months of 300 AC, even though he died in the second half of 298 AC, roughly some 1,5 years before). That Tywin reports on a rumor Varys heard about a "shadowbinder" should not be any reason to doubt that. Melisandre came to Dragonstone as a red priestess, and I would assume that she would have emphasized that during the first months or so that she was there. But she also is a shadowbinder, and that becomes more and more important when Stannis begins to prepare for battle. Perhaps changing it to "Several years before the start of A Clash of Kings would be more accurate? --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 21:24, 24 March 2017 (UTC)